tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post4608778665840008988..comments2024-03-28T01:02:01.844-06:00Comments on Coins and Scrolls: OSR: DIY D&D, the Veinscrawl, and YouSkerpleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06393779599461560431noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-14664327837891008922018-06-03T07:20:14.616-06:002018-06-03T07:20:14.616-06:00I get the ~strong~ impression that Patrick is a pr...I get the ~strong~ impression that Patrick is a pretty fragile guy, it doesn't seem to take much to have him melt down over this kind of stuff. Not trying to dunk on the guy, but it's generally smarter to just stop talking to someone, not trying to dunk on them/make them feel bad by telling them they've ruined something for you. I mean, it's a lesson most people learn in elementary school. TheDiceMustRollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06628494540912639520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-17690845654987225042018-06-02T14:35:45.768-06:002018-06-02T14:35:45.768-06:00Not knowing you or your work at all, I'd be gr...Not knowing you or your work at all, I'd be grateful for any fan-created work based on something I published. Discouraging DIY content is one of the most counter-intuitive things I've encountered in the OSR. And I've seen a lot of idiotic bullshit! Venger Satanishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447932700800930510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-85752384737135849182018-06-01T09:50:43.804-06:002018-06-01T09:50:43.804-06:00I do think it would've been better to have a p...I do think it would've been better to have a proper in-depth discussion with Patrick about the issues here before/instead of posting about them publicly. It would definitely have been better for Skerple's to have explained to Patrick personally that what he said upset him and to find out what he disliked about the Veinscrawl. I expect that this might have given Patrick the option and opportunity to mollify his rather harsh stance somewhat and at least explain what his problem was. Perhaps then a more peaceable understanding between the two would've been reached and this wouldn't feel so uncomfortable.ribbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03198571849485788318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-17451280902418450552018-05-31T13:05:15.242-06:002018-05-31T13:05:15.242-06:00Agreed. The other issue that people are grabbing o...Agreed. The other issue that people are grabbing onto is the way he used 'colonised' when describing why his interest in the subject has cooled/soured; now looking at it with fresh eyes, i think he meant it in the strictest sense of 'you made an ecology of the Veins and set it to a hexcrawl', instead of the more barbed 'you invaded my work and changed it in a way i didnt like'.<br /><br />Without any elaboration on Patrick's side, its easy for onlookers to overreact and view things in a negative light (not saying it WASNT negative even, its just hard to tell). What a shitty situation *sigh* Mufnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04553153945316136891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-78708646266503805922018-05-31T05:39:32.189-06:002018-05-31T05:39:32.189-06:00I think this post was written a bit too hastily. T...I think this post was written a bit too hastily. Too much is said and it's not clear that the point isn't that Patrick took the blog of the blogroll, but rather that the fan supplement caused him not to produce more Veins content in the foreseeable future (at least the comments make this position clear).<br /><br />It's like... if a piece of fan fiction caused the discontinuation of the original series. Or if one produced an RPG fan adaptation of a novel, but upon checking it out, the novel's author decided not to produce anything in that universe again. It's not that the author can't do that (of course they can!), but it makes the fan feel very bad.<br /><br />And again, nobody did anything wrong. It's just that this outcome is even possible is what's causing trouble.Ynas Midgardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972628887096890642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-66446764134791661482018-05-31T02:12:09.793-06:002018-05-31T02:12:09.793-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hildissenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16711061095879993454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-73411329374215751072018-05-30T22:39:54.310-06:002018-05-30T22:39:54.310-06:00Hey Skerples. I'm not really anybody, but I...Hey Skerples. I'm not really anybody, but I'd like you to know that you've been quite inspirational to me, and I'll be starting a campaign soon with The GLOG thanks in large part to your writing. I also ran Tomb of the Serpent Kings with The Black Hack, and it was probably the best adventure my group had. I can totally understand why you're upset; reading Patrick's response made me do a double take it was so harsh. That being said, I don't think you did ANYTHING wrong. If his interest in Veins was so weak that your blogging "killed" it, then I honestly doubt that anything more was coming. I'm not saying this to bash Patrick, it just seems like common sense.<br /><br />Anyway, my main reason for commenting was to let you know that I think you're a really positive force in this community, and that your writing brings joy to me and many others, and that I always look forward to reading your thoughts. Take all the time you need and clear your head, but I'll be eagerly awaiting your next post, whether it's tomorrow or next month or next year. And thank you for all of your hard work.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06173914935354113204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-51286557586771254572018-05-30T19:47:48.902-06:002018-05-30T19:47:48.902-06:00Hi you Skruples. StuPat did you a massive favors i...Hi you Skruples. StuPat did you a massive favors if he soured you on Veins of the Earth with his neurotic, insecure, passive-aggressive responding. Use your creativity juice for yours own originality work. All of them are more interestings than the Veins of Earth material you produced. Certainly most interestings compared to the StuPat derived works.<br /><br />Keep blogging with your own material. Franky Pankyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03611738865237857283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-47591063145622564352018-05-30T19:35:34.155-06:002018-05-30T19:35:34.155-06:00Is this about a removal from a blogroll? I don'...Is this about a removal from a blogroll? I don't think so. It's about Patrick saying he'll never write a sequel because Skerples has ruined Veins forever for him. That hurts. This is about pain and not about glory.Randohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07051785965103327520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-63118084739325874562018-05-30T18:13:11.537-06:002018-05-30T18:13:11.537-06:00It is tough that you are getting hit temporarily w...It is tough that you are getting hit temporarily with 'blog hits' but you are out of order creating a drama out of the fact he has removed you from his select list of bloggers, one of the few perquisites of the discerning blogger. Keep in mind that bloggers are a sort of beggar class among writers and are fractious. It is surprising you did not establish a relationship with Patrick Stuart while you were producing your material, this would appear to be something of a protocol among gamers. I, have established a relationship with Paddy to our mutual understanding. <br /><br />Vance gave permission to Michael Shea to write a sequel to The Eyes of the Overworld, but when the time came he described his own second description of Cugel's adventures with, 'For the second time Cugel had been ...', emphasising his ownership. There is nothing at all wrong with what you did and if you have a market then have at it, but Paddy does not have to be part of it.Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11165997449776226774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-39491953503556317302018-05-30T16:38:22.315-06:002018-05-30T16:38:22.315-06:00Just wanted to throw in my two cents of support. Y...Just wanted to throw in my two cents of support. You and Arnold K are the people who got me into OSR stuff, and I've enthusiastically grabbed anything you post for my personal use. Always a treat when either of you post new stuff. <br /><br />I can vaguely see where Patrick is coming from with this but his reaction seems very hyperbolic and needlessly antagonistic. Describing someone using content that you created and remixing it (especially content in a scene all about that kind of thing, and that you openly tell people to use in the work itself) as "massive colonization" is, IMHO, kind of a pretentious dick move. Theionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16442061439784381145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-31718156747429712822018-05-30T15:56:49.541-06:002018-05-30T15:56:49.541-06:00I found you from Arnold K's (sadly rather inac...I found you from Arnold K's (sadly rather inactive atm) blog and you quickly rose to the top of my list for how regularly you update and how accessible and enjoyable your content is. Take a break- we'll still be here whenever you're ready. ribbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03198571849485788318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-38764676358940871502018-05-30T13:59:08.310-06:002018-05-30T13:59:08.310-06:00Skerples, I do hope you come back when you are rea...Skerples, I do hope you come back when you are ready. I've loved your work here, as I love Patrick's over there. You're one of my 'compulsively refresh' pages.Ironsides2017https://www.blogger.com/profile/02355873084979214124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-71123492551373457982018-05-30T13:41:04.687-06:002018-05-30T13:41:04.687-06:00Take whatever time you need. Your blog has been a ...Take whatever time you need. Your blog has been a tremendous resource to me, an I will eagerly await your return whenever that might be.SkySeekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11884305152170172750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-65049338868962286842018-05-30T13:36:42.180-06:002018-05-30T13:36:42.180-06:00I believe you assume a different use for both blog...I believe you assume a different use for both blog and blogroll than Mr. Stuart does. Keep doing your thing. I hope both of you will. He wont be reading your stuff and you should not care about that.Martenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14533065714687997323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-52894662025743696892018-05-30T10:56:27.786-06:002018-05-30T10:56:27.786-06:00It seems like there's a miscommunication here ...It seems like there's a miscommunication here between "why did you take my blog off your roll" (with an implied wish that it be put back up) vs "I saw that you took my blog off, did I do anything specific to offend you?" (with an implied "is there something I should apologize for?")<br /><br />Skerples and Patrick don't appear to be on the same page about what was being asked, so I think they're talking past each other.Tom Kilianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17086235205146158319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-75369123354094480582018-05-30T10:36:15.016-06:002018-05-30T10:36:15.016-06:00Patrick is right in one thing: You are caring too ...Patrick is right in one thing: You are caring too much about his opinion... It is his fault being unable to handle his jealousy, not yours.G. B. Verashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07321019711309446662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-32486836151757063692018-05-30T10:24:52.571-06:002018-05-30T10:24:52.571-06:00Don't worry my blogroll still lists you (and F...Don't worry my blogroll still lists you (and False Machine) so my five hits a day should be coming right to you 😉Ezra Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00435485772787008909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-33094685866285636942018-05-30T10:13:13.736-06:002018-05-30T10:13:13.736-06:00There's a lot going on in the OSR lately, but ...There's a lot going on in the OSR lately, but I'm not sad that I have Veins in the Earth AND Veinscrawl. Keep putting out the content that makes YOU happy.Librihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15274156981695285862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-85043646405309197762018-05-30T06:16:54.071-06:002018-05-30T06:16:54.071-06:00I am quickly becoming a voracious consumer and par...I am quickly becoming a voracious consumer and participant in DIY D&D, thanks to you and the encouragement and inspiration I receive from every post of yours I enjoy. Always a shame to hear a creative like yourself is struck with self-loathing, so heal as you need to! I'll be waiting patiently.wr3cking8a11https://www.blogger.com/profile/17534850465580227665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-11477834009125198882018-05-30T06:12:06.838-06:002018-05-30T06:12:06.838-06:00Curiously, I was thinking weeks ago "Damn, I ...Curiously, I was thinking weeks ago "Damn, I would be so proud if a work of mine ever got a hacker/mod community such as the one VotE gave birth to". <br /><br />No hate on Patrick -- love his work and his prose (as I think most of us here would agree!) -- but that was an unfortunate position for sure. Keep the great work, Skerples!fluviushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15171955382980368394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-66235545801902512412018-05-30T06:06:05.764-06:002018-05-30T06:06:05.764-06:00RT!
Hay que endurecerse, pero sin perder la ternu...RT!<br /><br />Hay que endurecerse, pero sin perder la ternura jamásfluviushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15171955382980368394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-69642844560310312132018-05-30T05:03:11.601-06:002018-05-30T05:03:11.601-06:00Skerples, I am obviously very biased in this situa...Skerples, I am obviously very biased in this situation but from recent Patrick Stuart's post it is clear to me that the cause of the dropped link was a first of two readings you just presented, namely "You made content I didn't like".<br /><br />I am finding certain words you used in the initial post "I think people should be informed. I think that's worrying." to have strong fear-mongering aspect. What people should be informed about? One guy's personal and entirely private (until prompted to clarify and even then, again, private) reaction to the content you created, however harsh this reaction is to you personally? You seem to agree in comments that people are free to dislike or like anything, even the things that consensus accepts as genuine good. What is specifically worrying about this answer? That somehow the creator of the content will go around forbidding them to create the additional DIY content? That the answer says that act of creation of the content was wrong? It wasn't what was said, Veinscrawl wasn't taken down, it isn't happening and it won't happen. The link was dropped quietly, without any attached message that portrayed Veinscrawls in negative light. <br /><br />You read it as if the reaction was to the fact of creating of the content itself, emphasizing your understanding of the answer with the line "Apparently I should not have done that." which is nowhere implied in the text and presents the answer as something more intentionally malicious than it was. Now when the answer is clarified as to be the first case, namely "You made content I didn't like" and it was a misunderstanding what would you do about this line?Kyanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12992025061183651850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-25437434195235407432018-05-30T02:41:39.557-06:002018-05-30T02:41:39.557-06:00I don't comment much in the OSR-blogosphere, b...I don't comment much in the OSR-blogosphere, but I really enjoy your work Skerples. You can't control how people react to what you make, only if you like making it.<br /><br />Hope you're not too discouraged, look forward to anything you decide to work on in the future!Aleister Burgunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16386754050768390299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1958522416503442248.post-22013582376611430122018-05-30T02:12:54.234-06:002018-05-30T02:12:54.234-06:00VotE is not my cup of tea. I'd not give it a ...VotE is not my cup of tea. I'd not give it a second glance...were it not for the Enthusiasm it bred in You.<br /><br />Your dedication to good gaming swells my heart, revitalizing its willingness to do the work.<br /><br />Your efforts to help would-be-medieval gaming be more medieval draw forth my roaring applause, and your work to grow a crop of skillful DMs make me bow my head in honor.<br /><br />Always is yours the start of my nightly blog-patrol, and those not on your own sidebar had best hope I bother to recall their names...<br /><br />I look forward to your next inspiration.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01281583503329096880noreply@blogger.com